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</a>      <time class="comment-time" datetime="2025-02-06T17:09:43+08:00" title="2025年2月06日 17:09" data-nexus-time="7">2025-02-06</time>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>评论区提的建议我都看了，这几天会做调整。</p>

<p>帖子暂时锁了，原因是无意义的争论多起来，偏离了客观的轨道。</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>辟谣本身都是没必要的，给了画面就算输</p>

<p>就当是生活的小调剂，翻篇就行了，大家都有自己的事要忙，所谓造谣一张嘴，辟谣跑断腿，所以放置加口球是最合适的</p>

<p>站点的存续最重要，不影响大家玩游戏就行，其他的随他上哪闹去</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>有，影响还很大，因为你细看的话会发现站内五千个补丁，但其实只有几十个常驻作者，这些质疑的人都是几百补丁的发，他们作为分享资源的人来质疑那就该让他们辩论一次。这次就来了十几个作者，还都是常驻的</p>
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<p>站没了你下不了补丁，作者没了你同样也下不了；目前质疑的全是作者，几乎每个人都发了几十个补丁甚至上百个，如果这些人被删除了，你真的觉得没影响吗，打开资源列表你就会发现这一排排补丁都是同一个人发布的，这种情况下丧失一个发了几百补丁的人还不大吗？更何况不止一个，上面没算上不发言在观望的佬就快十几个了，一千补丁瞬间消失真的没影响吗</p>

<p>他们之间的矛盾就让他们去辩论，如果你火上浇油的话结果就是普通用户就更玩不到了。大佬对峙，殃及池鱼。</p>
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<p>资源多了好多，不管是全CG存档，还是修正补丁，</p>

<p>甚至，AI翻译补丁！</p>

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<p>所以千万别寄了，要挺住，至少在我还没上岸，或者有生之年，要一直在啊！</p>


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      <div class="comment-content"><p>以下是我自己的观点。</p>

<p>首先：何为Ai补丁作者，我相信大部分的作者补丁在弄Ai补丁的时候，最主要的目的，那就是让更多人接触到一些已经消失已久但是剧情很棒的Galgame，我不相信所有的用户都是日语N1以上，也会有不会日语的用户或者玩家，也想体验到Galgame游戏中的乐趣来，如果有汉化补丁相对来说会更好理解游戏所传达的内容，但是一个汉化补丁的工期很长，但是部分用户也想体验长期没有汉化补丁游戏所带来的乐趣，这时，AI补丁也是一条选择的路。</p>

<p>其次，关于积分问题，最早我没成为AI翻译补丁作者时，我积分的获取来源就是签到获取的，可能是因为我比较懒的原因，我这边有个小小的建议就是签到随机获取积分，获取积分的范围为2-5之间，ai翻译补丁大部分都是5mb-10mb之间，一天一个ai翻译补丁，也够你玩的了（除非你脱裤子直接开***不体验剧情除外。）</p>

<p>对于评论区说的，AI翻译作者一副高高在上的问题，目前，我遇到的大佬都没有一副高高在上，也没有说做出来一个补丁就觉得自己很牛逼的样子，我可以肯定的说，没有。</p>

<p>而且ai翻译补丁也不是想象中的简单，要解包，提取脚本，脚本转换成文本，使用模型翻译，翻译好后，转回脚本，回封包，有些游戏过于老旧，游戏引擎恶心的要死，一个ai翻译补丁可能一个星期才产出，可想作者在上面花了多少的心血，做出来了，还要根据用户的反馈，进行bug的修复，这和社畜没什么区别的。</p>

<p>ai翻译也不都是是免费的，部分模型的选择，也是要收费的，人人可没有4090，ai翻译作者也是如此，为什么ai翻译作者会老是换模型，还不是因为想要用户的体验会好一点，而且模型的翻译不是按照rmb来算的，是按照美刀来算的。假如1mb文本需要2-4刀，那么有些游戏的文本都高达5mb了，想想需要多少成本，还有可能翻译翻炸掉的，需要重新翻译，钱也不会原路退回，简单来说翻译炸了已经扣钱了就自己咬碎牙齿咽下。</p>

<p>花了钱选择好一点的模型，免费提供给各位用户，ai补丁作者也没有寻求收费，基本就是为爱发电了属于是，我发布ai翻译补丁，获取那么多的积分，对于我来说，完全没什么影响，也不关心积分多少，我只想让各位体验到最纯粹的Galgame所带来的乐趣。</p>

<p>我看了很多评论区有的在攻击AI补丁作者的，我建议你要是从我们角度出发，就会看到不一样的风景，人人都会口嗨，口嗨后所带来的伤害是无法磨灭的，我们花了钱花了精力，做了补丁，提供给各位，结果吃苦不讨好，那我为什么不花这些时间去打我的Galgame呢？为什么我不花这些时间去看看电影呢？何必再做着吃苦不讨好还要被骂的事情呢？</p>

<p>最后，我想表达的是，Ai作者也是人，我们也有自己的生活，补丁也不是想想就能做出来的，我们也要花精力、花时间来做补丁。对于那些攻击Ai作者补丁的人，希望你出门的时候不要被车撞，多留点口福。</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>这是没办法的事，随着AI机翻兴起，御爱关闭之后，这里的人流量爆发性增加，随着带来的服务器成本增加，为了维持网站站长不得不去接广告，增加VIP资助等项目，而在这剧烈变化下，网站本身在成本付出广告收入等各项收支的不透明性缺点就暴露出来了，这两三年这里花了多少钱收了多少钱除了站长没有人知道，这次事件说白了就是补丁作者一方想要站长透明化网站收支，成本具体多少，各方面收了多少，这些钱到底有没有用在网站上的公示，而站长这边也有理由不给出具体数据，只概括性的讲一讲，结果两边谈不拢就这样了。</p>
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<p>1.2df确实站点建立比御ai早这点我不质疑，实际上御ai的成立某种程度是一种突发性事件，那个时候正好是GPT3.5刚刚出世不久，且打着提供更好的AI补丁在Gal圈里有了一定的议论度，而当时大部分2df还是修正补丁，且是可以免注册下载的，这一点我可以证实。</p>

<p>2.御ai倒闭之后，我应该是最晚进入2df当中的那一部分，因为那个时候我的萌汁刚刚达到200就没有了，一早上起来御ai变成空白状态，刷了半天最后跑到TG群里去看了一眼，发现站长"跑路"了，我于是想在下点AI补丁不得已来到了这里，我到现在还保存的当时的部分站点的网页，当时御ai上传的最多是Z佬，如果我没有记错的话，现在成为了账号已注册的一员。</p>



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<p>3.2df有没有吃御ai的红利我不好说，因为在御ai还在的时候很多补丁作者禁止上传到2df，一是为了避免倒卖，二是表明自己的制作权，御ai倒闭之后的补丁作者才陆陆续续转到了2df这点是确确实实存在的，站长确实发了相关的公告开辟了AI翻译区域，不过那个时候大部分的AI补丁还是以免费下载的形式，后来开始有了积分购买，不过也不高，不超过2，作为一个门槛算是基础，这点我认可。</p>

<p>4.随着人越来越多，补丁也越来越广，2df站开始出现问题，首先广告确实增多，这点也发了公告，我没意见，毕竟网站成本增加了不止一点，如果以人口基数作为红利的话，那么2df肯定是吃了的，但是实际上收入上挣了多少，依靠积分能增加多少收成，这点只有站长自己知道。</p>

<p>5.积分不是不好，但是作为补丁制作来讲就像是自己的作品被别人表了署名权，自然心理不会好受，更何况2df以活跃度来综合判定你的积分和声望，刚刚注册的声望是-1，你发布的补丁没有任何价值，并且直到现在也修改不了，我技术不强，但也陆续发了几个，无一例外的没有一个会提醒可以设置积分，也就是在我看来所谓积分是充了钱才有这个权利去改的，而2df的VIP我想应该没有几个会冲，而所谓积分的商城当时还卖的是游戏激活码，这点倒也正常。不过积分在当时起码在我看来没有多大用处，可是到了后面每个AI翻译都要积分，我当时刚刚注册不到2个月吧，还是以终点和花火作为主要活动点，导致了一个问题：本来是御ai涌来获取补丁的，结果大部分人的积分都不够承担如此多的补丁成本，加上当时的签到系统真的是蛋疼，我花了30分钟才注册上号，又花了20分钟才过了谷歌的验证签到，哪怕连汉化补丁也要积分，于是积分成了人人喊打的绊脚石。</p>

<p>6.网站盈利没有问题，但是积分制度带来的没有好处，只有不断的纠纷，也是差不多那个时候，60积分的AI帖子出现，不是那种很大的rar，只是不到5mb的补丁，可是却是御ai搬运过来的，有人存了yuai的补丁发到2df上高价售卖，不过很快被制止了，但是积分这个时候完全称为了一种耻辱，有人辛辛苦苦做的补丁不赚一分，有人却转载标的高额，后来标注出处的公告发出，这才患了一整子。</p>

<p>7.2024年，Z佬注销2df账号，原因是被人骂的气的销号，根本原因就出在这个积分上，KF上留下一句懂的都懂之后就消失了，只因为被盗取补丁到其他网站，被人骂到销号，说他不是正主，还卖这么高的积分，积分问题再次被挑起。</p>

<p>8.sakura模型，cluade，GPT共同出世，国产AI也逐渐崛起，2df的AI翻译发展到如今的地步，然而补丁作者仍然不能从中获利，跑的补丁不能自己标明积分，还很难上传，甚至传着传着就没了，搞得人心烦，攻击也转而从积分开始向服务器本身，那个时候好像就有人扒出站长故意不升级服务器只为让能够让上传的成本降低一点好成为第一补丁站之类的，没人核实没有证据也不了了之。</p>

<p>9.我个人还是很喜欢2df的，因为从某种程度上看这确实是目前国内最大的补丁网站了，以至于我有时候能Reddit上看到有外国人为了补丁注册2df，不过他们也骂这个积分制度，主要是我就只是为了一个修正补丁结果你告诉我注册不能即可下载，还需要积分，于是在国外2df的名声不算很好，所以作为国内玩家来讲我还是很希望2df不要倒闭的。</p>

<p>但是2df的发展已经逐渐与时代落伍，就说这个图床，bbs论坛可以选择文件，可是2df却在近十年时间里面还不能直接上传图，评论里直到现在还不能理解这个图像属性到底有什么用，css定义图片的格式？那我直接自己写代码或者直接在上传前编辑图片不就行了，还要网站来帮我调整，这点上已经很明显不符合正常网站的发展形式了。以及2df上早期补丁没有存档，还有相当一部分补丁付了积分打开看要么是失效的百度网盘，要么是已经似了115礼物赠送网盘，长期没有人管理补丁的存活率，而上传者已经查无此人，寻求补丁只能求助KF，或者自力更生。</p>

<p>其次，积分制度形同虚设，2积分既没有收益又没有意义，60积分没有人买账也没有人愿意，还得求助KF帮忙，声望对普通用户来讲那更是毫无用处的东西，签到近期才改变，网站整体的布局又过于老套，对于作者的友好程度甚至比不上隔壁的BGM，对于某些老游戏的条目更是连个介绍都不写一下，甚至不能自己建新。这对于一个20年的老站来讲问题点太大了，所谓的服务器确实像是没有更新一样，所谓利也确实没有在站上能够体现，这就演变成现在这样：一方面站长经营站点究竟是挣了还是没挣不知道，如果挣了，维护网站这么大的成本没有任何数据支持，如果没挣，也没有一个理由来解释；另一方面补丁发布没有得到自己的利，全靠网站自己设定规则，上传到现在还是很操蛋，积分到现在也跟个弱智一样，对于杰出贡献者也没有任何回报，两边求利，但最后却没有人知道究竟谁获利导致了如今的局面。</p>
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<p>我就笑笑，发评论请认真思考完后再发</p>
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<p>站没了你下不了补丁，作者没了你同样也下不了；目前质疑的全是作者，几乎每个人都发了几十个补丁甚至上百个，如果这些人要求补丁删除了，你真的觉得没影响吗，打开资源列表你就会发现这一排排补丁都是同一个人发布的，这种情况下丧失一个发了几百补丁的人还不大吗？更何况不止一个，上面没算上不发言在观望的佬就快十几个了，一千补丁瞬间消失真的没影响吗</p>

<p>他们之间的矛盾就让他们去辩论，如果你火上浇油的话结果就是普通用户就更玩不到了。大佬对峙，殃及池鱼。</p>
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<p>2df补丁作者就是作者，结果被出版社的2DF背刺，不仅没有拿到一分钱，还被各种限制，是个人都会气吧</p>


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<p>翻译补丁应该跟传统补丁区分开，只能挂载外链进行下载，降低审核强度和存储压力。再不行可以限制翻译补丁到只需要1积分的大小，不然就只能挂外链。</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>翻译补丁绝大部分都很小的，你看看我做的有几个是要超过5积分的……</p>

<p>真正大的是修正补丁、某些人传的各种特典、无码补丁这些</p>
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      <div class="comment-content"><p>然而修正补丁特典这些绝大部分实际上在下载游戏时都打包在里面了，很少需要单独下载，只有偶尔会出现下的版本比较老过来弄个补丁的情况</p>
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<p>我也发布了几个的，现在这套规则防君子不防小人。</p>
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